Mark talks to Kathleen about her birthday, cheat meals, spilling mustard, making decisions, shame spiralling, Brene Brown, “if knowledge was enough…”, her background, being active is a non-negotiable, a YMCA membership, Finding Your Fit book, biting off more than you can chew, Mark’s YMCA story, making the most of time, a 66-year-old college grad, Mark retells a story, negative brain propaganda, red yellow and green foods, having kids to help you wake up, the Daily Stoic, love is not a word it’s a practice, and prioritizing time with friends and family.